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The new FDS version 4.0. From the 3-1-22 Watchtower
by trujw inok guys i have cut and pasted from the march 3rd 1922 watchtower.
i think this is great and can be shown to any witness to have them sratching thier little heads.
one notice that they are still teaching christ's presence began in 1874 in 1922 and two this to me is a whopper.
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I Think My Marriage Is Over...
by cognac ini know exactly what happened... he thinks i'm going to die at the big a and wants to be with someone he can live forever with.... we have two girls, ages 3 and 1... i really thought we'd make it despite the religion, now i really don't think so... not sure what to do... .
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Any man who treats you like that is not worth the emotional and financial investment.
There are relationships that are so unique and cover such a broad and deep spectrum of connections and things in common, plus common history, that are indeed worth fighting for. Cheating isn't the only vow people break in marriages. JW's treat cheating as if it has to be unforgivable. It does not have to be. Time can give you a very different perspective on it.
This is more than mere cheating. He is being emotionally abusive and is twisting even JW beliefs in a pathetic attempt to justify his actions. Clearly, he struggles to be honest with even himself. ...nothing to work with there....
If not, try not to look at him as a #$%head. That is not going to help you or him or your daughters.
If he IS a #$% head, then she SHOULD view him as such. Just about everyone here know that JWs do not promote leaving your kind and good non-JW wife and kids to hook-up with some JW so you can have a wife in paradise. They are whacked, but not THAT whacked!
Who other than a #$% head does that? She should look at him realistically, and he doesn't appear to be the man she thought he was.
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What a Week! The Bees Got Married!
by BizzyBee inwhat a wonderful holiday season!
time with family, time for fun, and in the midst of it all - we got married!
after christmas we were in palm springs for the weather and golf, but took off for nevada on thursday and tied the knot in a sweet, simple ceremony.
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Congratulations BB!
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I Think My Marriage Is Over...
by cognac ini know exactly what happened... he thinks i'm going to die at the big a and wants to be with someone he can live forever with.... we have two girls, ages 3 and 1... i really thought we'd make it despite the religion, now i really don't think so... not sure what to do... .
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Is he worth fighting for?
Any man who treats you like that is not worth the emotional and financial investment. The best you can do it to be an example of emotional stability for your children. Emotionally healthy women demand that they are treated with respect, and he is treating you like crap.
I understand that you want your children to have access to their father, but children emulate what they see in their lives. Watching him treat you badly will set the stage for them to copy these behaviors (your's and his') in their lives, which will probably do them more harm than a divorce with a good parenting plan and frequent visits.
As far as him having someone at the Big A - thats a joke, is he crazy? Does he think he is going to go thru with his new chickie?
He is using this Big A as an religious excuse and justification for his bad behavior and trying to heap guilt upon her.
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Blood transfusion: Letter of Understanding
by Marvin Shilmer inblood transfusion: letter of understanding .
today i added a new article to my blog that to the best of my knowledge is the first publication of a document put together for jehovahs witnesses by medical ethicists in cooperation with watchtower appointed hospital liaison committee members.
this document is very helpful in medical terms yet very explosive in theological terms for jehovahs witnesses whove been taught to resist blood transfusion as rape.
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I wonder just how long these documents have been used. In the article I quoted earlier, the doctor actually directs physicians to www.noblood.com to obtain similar documents, but when I searched the site today, I could not find them. However, I was searching as a guest and didn’t have full access.
Back in 1998, Maylon seems to be referring to the “acknowledgement statements” referenced in my previous post.
Under the subheading, “Children and parental/medical responsibilities,” he writes: “They cannot and should not be expected to consent to a medical treatment which they feel is against God’s wishes and may be medically questionable. Again, new overtures by the hospital liaison committee network enable the development of trust between a child’s doctor and the parents. The doctor acknowledges the parents’ refusal of blood, yet agrees to honour their refusal to the point in his opinion, of not allowing the child to die or suffer injury. Jehovah’s Witnesses and everyone else are bound by the present understanding in the law that doctors must act in the best interest of the child as an overriding factor.” (italics added).
24 J. Med. Ethics 376, 378 (1998)
He does not say how this trust building was happening, but it was likely a written document. The trust statement has two parts: 1) acknowledgement of the patients’ beliefs, and 2) notice that the doctor will transfuse to not allow a child to die or suffer injury.
I don’t see any important differences between Maylon’s statement above and the verbiage in the Sick Children’s document, which is as follows:
“Caregivers at The Hospital for Sick Children recognize that parents or substitute decision makers of children who are Jehovah’s Witnesses usually do not want their children to be given blood products. Knowing this, doctors will look for other reasonable ways to treat these children that do not require blood products. [doctor acknowledges the parents’ refusal of blood]
In an emergency, where your child is apparently experiencing severe suffering or is at risk, if the treatment is not administered promptly, of sustaining serious bodily harm, medical staff will provide treatment that is allowed by the law, which may include blood transfusions.” [doctor will transfuse to not allow the child to die or suffer injury]
Like everyone else, I would love to see a change in the WTBTS’s policy, but Maylon’s 1998 statement leaves me even less convinced that any wholesale policy change has occured. Instead, it appears that they have been using these documents for quite some time. Anony's experience is the best evidence of change; time will tell.
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Blood transfusion: Letter of Understanding
by Marvin Shilmer inblood transfusion: letter of understanding .
today i added a new article to my blog that to the best of my knowledge is the first publication of a document put together for jehovahs witnesses by medical ethicists in cooperation with watchtower appointed hospital liaison committee members.
this document is very helpful in medical terms yet very explosive in theological terms for jehovahs witnesses whove been taught to resist blood transfusion as rape.
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So if a minor does not contest or their parents, is that like not resisting rape?
I should probably clarify that I do not think the HLCs assisting with crafting a LoU denotes a change in policy, but some have provided anecdotal/personal experiences documenting that they were told it is OK not to legally challenge a minor's blood transfusion. That is better evidence of a change in policy. However, I do not think it is especially good evidence because of the variance in the states and provinces regarding minors and life-sustaining blood transfusion. In sum, it could be just an accomodation to a specific jurisidiction that is particularly tough.
However, these LoUs and Acknowledgement Statements do not affect the parent's legal right to challenge a blood transfusion or the hospital's legal right to seek a court-ordered blood transfusion. Therefore, the WTBTS can always claim that they would have legally fought a blood transfusion if the situation arose.
Ultimately, it appears that these Statements have been used for at least the last six years, and there has not been any definitive change in policy.
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Blood transfusion: Letter of Understanding
by Marvin Shilmer inblood transfusion: letter of understanding .
today i added a new article to my blog that to the best of my knowledge is the first publication of a document put together for jehovahs witnesses by medical ethicists in cooperation with watchtower appointed hospital liaison committee members.
this document is very helpful in medical terms yet very explosive in theological terms for jehovahs witnesses whove been taught to resist blood transfusion as rape.
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As I stated earlier, I do not think these Letters of Understanding reflect any change on the part of the WTBTS. It appears that they have been used for a while now to meet the legal and ethical demands of full disclosure to the parents. I suspect the HLCs are merely seeking a seat at the table to impact drafting and make themselves appear useful.
The following seems to document the usage of a similar document in a 2006 or 2007 North Carolina case:
"Hospitals have an ethical obligation to delineate expressly to guardians of minors the parameters of the law and how medical care will be administered. The institution operating the “blood conservation program” in the above case routinely utilizes acknowledgement statements in circumstances involving the medical care of minors whose parents seek to refuse blood transfusions. These statements serve as a tool ensuring and documenting that clear and complete disclosure of the hospital’s intentions are conveyed to the patient’s guardians . . .Failure of the parents to sign such a document would not alter the care administered to the minor under North Carolina law in the event a life saving [sic] transfusion is required. From a legal and ethical standpoint, the statement serves to document formally that a clear dialogue was conducted between the hospital and the parents regarding the emergent administration of blood products.”
Paul R. Brezina & John C. Moskop, Urgent Medical Decision Making Regarding a Jehovah’s Witness Minor: A Case Report and Discussion, 68 NC MED J 312, 314 (2007).
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Random Thoughts on visiting China to understand Tibet.
by fulltimestudent inthe cold war stills plays out on the international political scene in a few places.
one of them is tibet.
here is a summary list of some of the things i've learned, about which i shall post.. .
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My comment is slightly off-topic, but related.
The law school I attend has very close ties to the Pacific Rim. In fact, our school publishes the Pacific Rim Law Journal.
Due to our close ties, we have many Asian students, many of whom are from mainland China and Hong Kong. A student told the story of a discussion he had with a Chinese student regarding Tibet. The Chinese student expressed dismay that Americans are so hung up on Tibet since it has been part of China for hundreds and hundreds of years. Of course, the other student said that it has been part only since the early 1900s.
It took a while, but the source of the differences in opinion were tracked to the Chinese government's internet censorship. The Chinese government has re-written history, and the re-written history is all its people can access on their censored internet.
I too appreciate your posts. Sadly, Americans in general are very uninformed regarding the events in China and Middle East, and that has detrimentally impacted our politics.
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Blood transfusion: Letter of Understanding
by Marvin Shilmer inblood transfusion: letter of understanding .
today i added a new article to my blog that to the best of my knowledge is the first publication of a document put together for jehovahs witnesses by medical ethicists in cooperation with watchtower appointed hospital liaison committee members.
this document is very helpful in medical terms yet very explosive in theological terms for jehovahs witnesses whove been taught to resist blood transfusion as rape.
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Don’t overlook this significant point: what’s okay for Jehovah’s Witnesses in Canada is, from Watchtower’s doctrinal perspective, okay for Jehovah’s Witnesses everywhere. Right?
Personally, I would reason as you stated above, Mr. Shilmer, but I doubt the WTBTS does.
It seems that, in the past, the WTBTS has applied different rules to different people. This reminds me of the issue concerning treatment for hemophilia addressed in Louderback-Wood’s article, Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Tort of Misrepresentation. (At least I think that’s the title). I believe she documented that the WTBTS allowed those who called headquarters to obtain certain treatments that were previously prohibited, but they did not announce these changes to the congregations for a significant amount of time. This was a case where different rules applied to different people, despite having the same medical condition.
In addition, I see at least two ‘wiggle’ arguments it could make. I could see it arguing that this was just an exercise at conciliation for those provinces controlled by AC v. Manitoba,and that outside the covered provinces, the rules remain the same.
Also, as you noted, nothing in this document prohibits them from seeking judicial intervention, so they relinquished no rights. I do not know the circumstances of this particular case, but it seems the minor recovered without blood. Therefore, I do not know if this is a case of they did not want to pursue the isssue in the courts, or a case wherein they did not need to pursue the issue in the courts. If the minor recovered without blood, the HLC could claim that it was merely working within the system, but had a blood transfusion been ordered, it would have asked for judicial review.
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Blood transfusion: Letter of Understanding
by Marvin Shilmer inblood transfusion: letter of understanding .
today i added a new article to my blog that to the best of my knowledge is the first publication of a document put together for jehovahs witnesses by medical ethicists in cooperation with watchtower appointed hospital liaison committee members.
this document is very helpful in medical terms yet very explosive in theological terms for jehovahs witnesses whove been taught to resist blood transfusion as rape.
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I think the Letter of Understanding and HLC’s willingness to cooperate is due to a clarification of Canadian law and not a softening the JW blood prohibition.
The article specifically states that the Ethics Committee discussed the “relevant” case of AC v. Manitoba. That case established the bright-line rule that in Manitoba, British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Quebec, and Newfoundland, the court—not physicians—must decide whether or not a child under the age of 16 may refuse life-sustaining treatment. Since this case was “relevant,” I suspect this hospital was in one of those provinces. Therefore, the HLC had nothing to lose because if the hospital wanted to transfuse, the case would automatically obtain judicial review and more bad press.
Other Canadian provinces examine the minor’s capacity to consent (or refuse) treatment as opposed to the minor’s age.